tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post7594018889408559630..comments2024-02-29T16:27:16.015+01:00Comments on Salted Patent: e-EQE – epi discussion paper - commentsPete Pollardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02725722050785717803noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-32885569076407318262021-06-08T20:37:52.490+02:002021-06-08T20:37:52.490+02:00It is also possible to read and post comments on t...It is also possible to read and post comments on the <a href="https://www.epi-learning.org/mod/forum/view.php?id=466" rel="nofollow">epi-learning on-line forum (open to all)</a>.Pete Pollardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13914699133722171472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-23859171160967793222021-06-02T15:29:30.634+02:002021-06-02T15:29:30.634+02:00On 21 June 1300-1600, epi is holding an online con...On 21 June 1300-1600, epi is holding an <a href="https://epi.patentepi.org/result.xhtml#" rel="nofollow">online conference on "Modernising the EQE"</a>. We want a broad perspective from all EPC states, so please join and make your opinion heard. Non epi members can also register.Pete Pollardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13914699133722171472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-39240026315260917452021-05-26T23:50:09.032+02:002021-05-26T23:50:09.032+02:00Thanks for the tip - I did not realise that there ...Thanks for the tip - I did not realise that there was a discussion on that forum. <br />Yes - if the questions are posed as True/False, then they have to be black and white. But there is no reason to follow that anymore - they can move to normal multiple-choice.<br />A lot are against multiple-choice, but it is very widely used in other exams.Pete Pollardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13914699133722171472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-51354501626540382112021-05-26T17:49:58.301+02:002021-05-26T17:49:58.301+02:00You might take a look at the EPI thread (https://p...You might take a look at the EPI thread (https://patentepi.org/en/epi/forum/threads/1329). There was a comment from a member of the Examination Committee for the Pre-Exam on this point. As far as I understood, one issue is that the Boards of Appeal make it tough to design multiple choice questions, because they need to be black and white, which I guess means there have to be clear right and wrongSamuel Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03296118645609079405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-30413706094877554062021-05-19T10:47:24.791+02:002021-05-19T10:47:24.791+02:00do you guys also receive this document saying that...do you guys also receive this document saying that the results are expected in July?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-50315143835090074952021-05-17T23:40:56.501+02:002021-05-17T23:40:56.501+02:00It might be worth creating our own database, with ...It might be worth creating our own database, with candidates submitting (anonymously) their results. It would not be entirely accurate, but given the number of people who have been engaging in these online discussions it should be possible to get a representative dataset.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-66832050080198963492021-05-16T17:22:50.522+02:002021-05-16T17:22:50.522+02:00It seems like we will have to wait for the results...It seems like we will have to wait for the results to see how much of an impact the problems actually had, as they can take quite a lot into account in the marking.<br />I don't know if it is a coincidence, but I read somewhere (I can't find it now though) that they will no longer publish the lists with all results, but the results will only be available to each candidate individually.<brPete Pollardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13914699133722171472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-5660473224883162662021-05-16T12:59:48.292+02:002021-05-16T12:59:48.292+02:00Sorry to keep banging on about it but many candida...Sorry to keep banging on about it but many candidates this year felt robbed about the EQE 2021 exam papers. Not only was it a tough time getting adjusted to the new format, the papers were absolutely horrendous in terms of style, difficulty and content. Paper B was impossible to do, paper A was full of confusion and contradiction, paper C subject matter and the split in the middle created all Jacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-65453895489047523962021-05-06T14:57:41.197+02:002021-05-06T14:57:41.197+02:00Fully agree! If repeated in the current form, I do...Fully agree! If repeated in the current form, I don't need to bother resitting B or C next year.<br />I took the exam in 2019, getting around 40%. I don't expect to get more than 10% this time. I honestly feel cheated by the EPO.noddynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-57181207025384315062021-04-21T22:43:46.057+02:002021-04-21T22:43:46.057+02:00To me, the EQE exams should be about checking basi...To me, the EQE exams should be about checking basic principles and ensuring candidates are competent to understand those basic patent principles like priority, amendments etc... <br /><br />Asking obscure questions e.g. validation requirements in Malta or other random legal questions does not in my view test the candidates ability. Equally, everybody knows that drafting claims is a continuous Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-76462376347560177462021-04-21T16:18:48.837+02:002021-04-21T16:18:48.837+02:00I have heard that before about improved materials ...I have heard that before about improved materials and courses causing the exam to get more difficult. I am not convinced - someone from an examination committee would have to comment. If the methodology highlights vulnerabilities in the paper which can be exploited, then it is reasonable to address this in the marking and/or format. But I have heard rumors that they have changed formats in the Pete Pollardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13914699133722171472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-19891654960771311952021-04-21T13:53:17.320+02:002021-04-21T13:53:17.320+02:00paper A this year, either deliberate or not, is an...paper A this year, either deliberate or not, is an example of the EPO trying to obscure/confuse candidates. Paper B was created to basically punish candidates who can't type quickly enough - no thinking time allowed. Paper C subject was inaccessible and completely confusing - hiding bits and bobs of claims here and there. Nobody in real life will split out the claims for you before filing an Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-10584321820846313702021-04-21T13:49:39.821+02:002021-04-21T13:49:39.821+02:00100% agree with you Pete. the e-EQE papers A,B and...100% agree with you Pete. the e-EQE papers A,B and C especially this year was a joke. Beyond reasonable for candidates to do especially for papers B and C. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-27696076160347848642021-04-20T14:18:03.936+02:002021-04-20T14:18:03.936+02:00I agree that a set and clear syllabus would make t...I agree that a set and clear syllabus would make the exam possible to prepare for. The only other exam that I have ever taken where the syllabus was as vague, and thousands upon thousands of pages of reference material was the US patent exam. It has around 5000 pages just in the MPEP alone. It is difficult to pass the US exam without a methodology course (preferably from PLI if you can afford it)Jordannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-68742245469082846352021-04-18T20:53:01.109+02:002021-04-18T20:53:01.109+02:00There is no reason why the multiple choice based m...There is no reason why the multiple choice based modules should not be given more frequently. The US patent agent exam has a pool of questions, and a selection is made from the pool.<br />For any open text exam, it depends mainly on the exam drafting and marking - I assume these will be tailor-made, and not from a pool, so I cannot see them offering it more than twice per year. Pete Pollardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13914699133722171472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-14381727849956595012021-04-18T20:21:07.437+02:002021-04-18T20:21:07.437+02:00What about having EQEs more frequently, like every...What about having EQEs more frequently, like every 3 months or so. Then failing would not be such a catastrophe that throws you back one year (or two years like in 2021)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-32736523779044210122021-04-18T19:59:41.640+02:002021-04-18T19:59:41.640+02:00Thanks for the details - it is already difficult e...Thanks for the details - it is already difficult enough. <br />I know the epi was trying to help by coupling members with cases with trainees like yourself. I don't know how that "internship" program is going (see p.8 under "level playing field".<br />With the new system, you can start earlier to prepare for the EQE, and doing practice exams will help make up for some of Pete Pollardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13914699133722171472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-58898763960718581882021-04-18T19:23:23.679+02:002021-04-18T19:23:23.679+02:00In countries with less than 10 people who passed E...In countries with less than 10 people who passed EQEs the majority of training is done in house or by grandfathers who cannot provide adequate support on EQE learning/sitting/passing. In countries with less EPO practice – with less than 50 European patent applications per year, some EPAs have few European patent applications filed and not at all opposition/appeal cases to train the EQE candidatesMariya Georgievahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10087630180828834986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-14767272917544362412021-04-18T18:50:03.799+02:002021-04-18T18:50:03.799+02:00Yes. "Not everyone" means "a very l...Yes. "Not everyone" means "a very large number" => who have to pass under difficult conditions. <br />For example, you deal with fewer European applications and you have to learn the legal vocabulary as well. Pete Pollardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13914699133722171472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-62115363144959346392021-04-18T17:58:13.619+02:002021-04-18T17:58:13.619+02:00I'm reacting because I'm coming for better...I'm reacting because I'm coming for better or worse from one of the poorest countries in Europe with only 3 people who passed the EQE living in it. Sometimes people from the bigger countries like DE/UK/FR/NL do not realise how much brain, energy and time we need to spend more than them in order to have equal start because of the country we live. <br />I fully agree with your comment &Mariya Georgievahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10087630180828834986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-63018246738333264552021-04-18T17:49:49.392+02:002021-04-18T17:49:49.392+02:00And if the current EQE (functioning so many years)...And if the current EQE (functioning so many years) does not adequately test the “fit to practice” criterion why not puting all current EPAs to try the new progressive modular exam?!Mariya Georgievahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10087630180828834986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-85468293188439399742021-04-18T17:47:23.484+02:002021-04-18T17:47:23.484+02:00Hi Mariya. It will be a mess for those taking exam...Hi Mariya. It will be a mess for those taking exams in both systems, but I think it should make it easier to pass than with the current system - Pre-Exam will be split into legal and claims analysis parts. D will be split into D1 (theoretical detailed knowledge) and D2 (more client related, at a higher level).<br />I think you are reacting to the passing grade, the higher grade for resitters, andPete Pollardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13914699133722171472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-18842719400117843942021-04-18T17:21:44.791+02:002021-04-18T17:21:44.791+02:00Like a candidate I take it as a total disaster for...Like a candidate I take it as a total disaster for future canidates. I admit I just read it once, from now on I'll sit and think on it in order to have a more proper opinion on evry point like you doMariya Georgievahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10087630180828834986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1777415855032868397.post-36492141315761240042021-04-18T17:16:33.335+02:002021-04-18T17:16:33.335+02:00What do you think about equal treatment of candida...What do you think about equal treatment of candidates? From 1979 till now you have more or less same EQE, now a huge retailoring is proposed. Being only an EQE candidate studying and sitting EQE recent years (but at the same time working in the field already 13 years) for me this document looks like a big closing of the system in order to have a very few new candidates passing from now on, in Mariya Georgievahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10087630180828834986noreply@blogger.com